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  • human.iconDid the concept of broad listening come out of the Plurality community?
    • nishio.iconThe concept of broad listening was named by a friend of Glenn’s named Andrew Trask (Naming Broad Listening).
      • Ultimately, Yasuno learned about the concept of broad listening by looking at machine translations of Plurality books that had been placed in the Plurality Japanese translation community.

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  • human.iconI’m curious how many Offensive ones there were: …
    • nishio.iconI don’t have the exact percentage, but I’m guessing there were quite a few, and the toxicity score comes out something like 0%~100% on some axis, so it cuts off at the threshold of 50% or so.

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  • human.iconJapan is not a top-down country!
    • human.iconLike the pattern of going back and forth for approval.
    • nishio.iconRingi System” The Decision Making Process in Japanese Management Systems: An Overview].
    • human.iconResponsibility-averse?
    • human.iconI guess you could say the positive aspect is that it takes time to build consensus.
    • nishio.iconThat is what “CONSENSUAL” means.
    • human.iconI do think that the strength of the hierarchy and the denial of higher and lower ranks are somehow contradictory.
    • human.iconConvincing is the best priority! I think it’s because there are a lot of people who are like that. Maybe there aren’t many people who don’t have a choice because they are told to.
    • nishio.iconThe existence of the opposite style, “I can’t just accept what the higher-ups tell me,” is a characteristic of cultures that are not superordinate in the first place, and there are cultures that say, “The higher-ups told me, so of course I’ll obey, and of course they’ll take full responsibility for their decision-making.
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    • human.iconDoes that mean it’s acceptable if the higher ups take responsibility?
    • human.iconIn Japan, the frontlines must also question the decisions of their superiors. That may be true.
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    • Personally, I think that “higher-ups” in Japan are not “individual bosses” but “air,” “company,” “world,” and “common sense,” the personification of a faceless group of individuals.
      • Therefore, the behavior of “individual bosses” to decide the “will of the group” (= the will of superiors) on their own is both repugnant and obedient to the decisions of the “superiors” (= the group).

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  • human.iconI have an image that the structure of decision making is not likely to change easily, but the structure of information transfer will change a lot.
    • nishio.iconIf we can use Polis to remain anonymous and have confrontations without direct attacks psychological safety is going to be higher and better discussions.
  • human.iconI wonder if Japan became this style because it was a polytheistic religion rather than a monotheistic one. In other words, there were many people higher than you, so you had to decide for yourself which one was right?
    • nishio.iconThere are countries with polytheistic religions, not only Japan, so it would be strange to attribute it to them.

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  • human.iconSmooth, I don’t really get the image of smooth. …
    • You mean diverse perspectives? Or the opposite of an echo chamber?
    • nishio.iconI suggest you read the original, as it is a super-summary of “Smooth Society and Its Enemies” on one page.

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image human.iconI am sure that Nishio-san did not start out using the KJ method in the context of plurality, but I find it interesting that he has found a connection with it.

  • nishio.iconOf course, when we started doing the KJ method, we didn’t yet have the word “plurality” in the current sense!

What is Plurality?

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  • A concept proposed by Audrey Tang and Glen Weyl.
    • Plurality: Technology for Collaborative Diversity and Democracy
    • Techniques for Overcoming Differences and Collaboration
      • human.iconHow difficult it is to “overcome differences.” …
    • A movement to update society for the better by using this technology.
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    • The society that is being newly created is still taking shape and people have never seen it before.
    • So I can’t fully explain it in existing terms.
    • We must create new words and connect them to the context to create new meanings for the words themselves
    • human.iconPutting a new meaning on an existing word?
      • nishio.iconYes, it’s in the dictionary, but I don’t know what it means when I try to interpret it in the dictionary sense. - Plurality is a new term
      • human.iconsingular plural (singular plural)
      • nishio.icon There is a connection between “singularity ⇔ plurality”.
      • human.iconBy the way, why do they call it “singular” when AI will evolve so much?
      • nishio.iconIn the first place, “singularity” only means “singularity”, and is a singularity at .

Plurality Japanese edition is now available from Cybozu Shiki Books

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  • The whole thing cannot be explained in 25 minutes.
  • The overarching explanation is abstract.
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    • I’m sure you can find that by searching, etc., so here are some interesting topics to connect to the context of Funding the Commons

Funding the Commons and Plurality

  • Start with interchange format in Gyojin Karatani, which Audrey referred to, and run through digital democracy.
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    • If food was not storable, it was more reasonable for everyone to share more than they could eat alone than to let the uneaten amount rot. (Exchange Form A)
    • The ability to preserve food has eliminated the rationale for sharing.
    • The hungry want food, so they have to offer something in exchange.
    • At this time, all that “those who have no assets” could offer was their life time.
    • Thus occurred the “subordination to others” of selling off time. (Exchange Form B)
    • This evolved into an army not engaged in productive activities.
      • The occurrence of standing armies is quite old, already documented in Mesopotamia.
    • A “state” was created to protect the “people” within from external forces through military power.
    • By eliminating others through military force, “land” that belonged to no one became privately owned.
  • The same long ago created “tokens that can be saved.”
    • Later it will be called money.
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    • Replacement timing no longer needs to be synchronized, making replacement easier (Replacement Form C)
      • human.iconEfficiency through division of labor
    • More compact and stable than “storable food,” easier to accumulate value
    • A synergistic effect occurred: the military strength of the value accumulation increased the reliability of this token, and vice versa, and this token increased the stability of the value accumulation
    • However, as the market for token exchange grows, geographically demarcated nations will become a hindrance.
      • The “state” as a mechanism to protect “friends” within by eliminating external enemies with military force seeks to strengthen borders, while trade seeks to weaken them.
      • The more connected the market, the more profitable it was.
    • Merchants interfere in the running of the state.
      • Venice in medieval Europe, etc.
    • The forces demanding open trade from the states became stronger and stronger, and eventually a global market was established.
      • nishio.iconPerry: “Please open the country!”
      • If you go to a convenience store there for a minute and look at the ingredients, they’re harvested all over the world.
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    • This was a rough explanation of exchange styles A, B, and C in Yukito Karatani’s theory of exchange styles.
    • By the way, if you look at world history on this scale, now is the period of “the first 100 years of the birth of the electronic calculator”.
    • A new kind of “thing (goods)” has been created: digital goods.
      • Can be replicated at negligible cost.
      • A fortune spent but not reduced.”
    • Just as in the days when sharing food increased the happiness of a society, copying digital goods increases the total amount of happiness in a society.
    • Digital goods, however, are inedible.
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      • In the course of civilization’s progress to this point, most people have come to obtain their food in exchange for money.
      • If we made digital goods and gave them away for free, they would starve to death.
        • There was also an incident where an unrewarded OSS author became angry and engaged in vandalism (colors.js incident).
      • Society’s overall well-being is improved if the digital goods created are copied by as many people as possible for free.
      • Why don’t society fund the people who create digital goods to the extent that they don’t die, and make the digital goods created into commons that are shared by everyone?
        • (For those wondering about the difference between Common Goods and Public Goods: Funding the Commons says [“We build a bridge between builders and researchers focused on transforming the funding mechanisms for public goods.)
  • So what does Plurality think about this area?
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    • An important concept is the worldview of “neither the individual nor the whole, but a number of intersecting groups.
    • From this point of view, it seems like a false choice between “private ownership” and “worldwide sharing” in terms of digital goods.
    • Glen et al. said that there is a space between Public and Private (Beyond Public and Private).
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    • Something similar is said in Japan by Kazuto Ataka ([web3, Environmental Impact and Thin Commons - Between Neuroscience and Marketing https://kaz-ataka.hatenablog. com/entry/2023/12/24/123010])(2023)
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    • There is a growing sense that this problem is something that needs to be resolved in the future.
      • And the situation that web3 technology may be the solution to create new ownership and provision options for digital goods.
      • That’s why there’s a good amount of web3-related stuff in the other sessions.

intersecting group and Ideology in the 21st Century.

  • Talk a little more about this diagram
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  • In this connection, Ideology in the 21st Century organizes and strongly promotes one of the three ideologies, “digital democracy,” in the Plurality book
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      • from Glen’s slide : [/plurality-japanese/Glen in Japan Keynote Japanese subtitle65aaa7faff09e0000559732](https://scrapbox.io/plurality-japanese/Glen in Japan Keynote Japanese subtitle65aaa7faff09e0000559732)
      • Integrated Technocracy (synthetic technocracy) is the idea that AI advances will create a being that surpasses humans, so why don’t we all just leave it to it?
      • It is this ideology that is implied by the word Singularity when it is explained that “Plurality is a synonym for Singularity.
      • This corresponds to the WHOLE in the indivisual / intersecting group / whole diagram
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      • I don’t understand it well when I think of Plurality as a synonym for this and think of it as aiming at INDIVIDUALITY.
      • Especially web3 people would mistake it for an oppositional composition of centralized and decentralized power.
      • corporate libertarianism (corporate libertarianism) is the antipode in the conflict.
      • Using cryptography and other technologies to strengthen individual freedoms and undermine the power of government to restrict them.
      • The idea is to let the market mechanism take care of itself, so to speak.
      • This corresponds to the indivisual in the indivisual / intersecting group / whole diagram
      • A vision of avoiding and deconstructing social organization through technology and replacing trust with algorithms” by Glen
      • digital democracy also opposes [corporate libertarianism
      • For example, at yesterday’s Meetup, the question was “Do you think we can have a trustless government in the future?” Audrey answered [“I don’t like the word trustless. I like the word trust building.
      • They seem to think that the direction of pursuing trastress is to disassemble and destroy the existing social structure built by trust, which is undesirable.
    • You can look at these three ideologies and try to figure out which element is stronger in you.
      • Plural Viewpoints, a service that allows questions to be posed to three different ideologies
        • Often divided, and even when not divided, there are differences in specific policies.
        • For example, “The declining birthrate and aging population are making it difficult to maintain the welfare of the elderly, what should be done?”
        • ST: Implement nursing care robots and AI to compensate for labor shortages and improve the quality of care.
        • CL: Reduce regulations and increase competition among businesses so that innovative services and products for the elderly can emerge.
        • DD: Strengthen community networks and create systems to support seniors through volunteerism and community activities.
        • Each has a point.
      • Nishio personally believes that “in the long run, it is an integrated technocracy, but before that, we need digital democracy first.
        • When AI becomes smarter than humans, AI governance will be better than human governance.
        • However, when we speak of “governing people to happiness,” it is not good if some people define “happiness” in a way that imposes a form of happiness on other people, so we need a way to collect the various forms of happiness of everyone.
        • Since that is digital democracy, we can conclude that “digital democracy is necessary before integrated technocracy.
        • Regardless of whether we accept a dictatorship by a smart AI later, it is better to push for digital democracy at this point.
        • You can also decide in a digital democracy whether to accept it or not.

Diagram to be used for questions


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