nishio.icon [Iā€™m thinking about the possibility that abstract concept is real, but I canā€™t actually give you a concrete example, and Iā€™ve just been mistakenly thinking that itā€™s real when in fact itā€™s not.

gpt.iconIt is an interesting philosophical question to consider the possibility that we take an abstract concept as if it were real, but in the absence of a concrete example it is just misunderstanding. Many abstract concepts (e.g., right, freedom, happiness, etc.) have no concrete form, and whether they are real or not is debatable. If these concepts cannot be confirmed in the real world, it is quite possible that they are just products of thought, subjective only.

nishio.iconCriticize this idea.

gpt.iconTo criticize this idea, one can take the position that just because an abstract concept does not exist in concrete form, it is premature to dismiss it as ā€œnon-existent.ā€ First, although abstract concepts do not have concrete physical existence, they have a strong influence on social and psychological reality. For example, concepts such as ā€œjusticeā€ and ā€œfreedomā€ are reflected in concrete form in the legal system and social structure. Thus, while they may not have physical existence, they actually function as abstract entities .

Furthermore, even in the world of mathematical concepts and logic, numbers and equations are abstract, but they are directly involved in solving real-world problems in science and engineering. This allows us to criticize that to say that abstract concepts are ā€œnot realā€ is to underestimate their influence and function. The position is that just because they cannot be physically touched does not lead to the conclusion that abstract concepts are worthless.

(nishio.iconPragmatist truth theory that ā€œit isā€ is true if thinking ā€œit isā€ produces useful results, even if the definition is unclear or specific examples cannot be given)

nishio.iconWhat if not only canā€™t physically touch them, but also canā€™t give specific examples?

gpt.iconConsidering the criticism about the failure to cite concrete examples, the focus is on whether ā€œproviding concrete examplesā€ is essential as a criterion for doubting the reality of an abstract concept. However, since the nature of an abstract concept itself is often characterized as ā€œnot reducible to concrete examples,ā€ the inability to cite concrete examples is not necessarily a decisive reason to deny the reality of the concept.

For example, the mathematical concepts of ā€œinfiniteā€ and ā€œzeroā€ are very difficult to provide physical concrete examples of, yet these concepts have tremendous influence in the real world. Even though there are no concrete ā€œinfiniteā€ or ā€œzeroā€ examples in the physical world, they are rigorously defined in mathematical theories and models, which in turn contribute to our understanding of science, technology, and natural phenomena.

Even abstract concepts for which no concrete examples can be given may play a meaningful role in discussion and communication, and can be considered a form of ā€œactualityā€ in itself. There is a position that real existence should be evaluated based on the influence and functionality of the concept, rather than relying solely on its physical existence or the presentation of concrete examples.

nishio.iconJustice, freedom, happiness, etc. may be characterized as ā€œless clearly definedā€ than zero or infinite.

gpt.iconAs you say, concepts such as justice, freedom, and happiness are characterized by the fact that they do not have a strict, universal definition like zero or infinity. These concepts vary according to culture, history, and individual values, and it is often difficult to have a common understanding of them. In this respect, the criticism that they are subjective and ambiguous when compared to mathematical concepts is valid.

However, this also does not lead directly to the conclusion that those abstract concepts are meaningless. Rather, because of their ambiguity, these concepts have the power to provoke extensive debate and interpretation and to shape social and ethical frameworks. It can also be said that because they are not uniquely defined, they are characterized by the fact that they are used in a variety of ways in different contexts and have meaning each time. Therefore, while the criticism of ā€œnot clearly definedā€ is valid, it does not completely negate the reality and importance of the concept.

(nishio.icon The argument that ā€œnot clearly definedā€ itself has the utility of ā€œprovoking extensive discussion and interpretationā€ and therefore can be considered real)


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